Company of Heroes The concept:

1) Pioneer spam for mass capping power with observation posts on the munitions points.

2) Build an early medic bunker to help facilitate the incoming Grenadier Spam.

3) Tech to Tier 2.

4) Get a Kreigs Barracks and a Halftrack. Transport your squads to the cutoff points of the map.

5) Spam Grenadiers – Use halftrack to reinforce in the field – Build defenses with Pioneer’s and Grenadier’s. Use Grenades and Assault grenades sparingly.

6) Switch to left side of Blitz after going 3 points down the right. OR if you feel like getting Blitzkrieg continue down the right side.

7) Use manpower blitz when needed for an instant 2-3 squads of stormtroopers and/or grenadier’s.

Make sure you use your fuel and extra manpower early for veterancy. Good luck, Have fun and enjoy. It is a work in progress and is just for fun. Ill get you some more polished replays soon! This is more useful on Beaux Lowlands campfest.

Heres the Replay of my First Attempt. I was improvising the whole time ;) The download comes from the in development and new Tales of Heroes site.

Note: If you are using the Firefox web browser you will need to Right Click and select Save Link As.

49 Responses to “Double the Gren’s, Double the Suck Strategy”

  1. Rogers said

    Nice I hope you keep posting more strats, I love this kind of stuff. Have you come up with a demo charge strat yet? hehe.

  2. Vitensby said

    Kodachrome in the upcoming Tales of Heroes 38 used a pretty sweet demo-charge strategy. ;)

  3. GRDontom said

    Man, if you wanna see an awesome demo-charge strat, check out what has been discussed in axis strat, it is SERIOUSLY messed up. 2 production buildings dead 90% of the time you try it, and 50% of the time you basically take over their base :O
    THis strat seems cool, but surely, if a guy only see’s pioneers, he is likely to jeep spam, or even get a few snipers? Its pretty definite that you will have to go fst tier 2 with no early game power for so long on blowlands you will get over run, so surely they could just get 2 snipers? Hmmmm, sounds like fun though, like my old 2 v 2 strat, straight to tier 3 from pio spam, officer, manpower blitz (i OP’d everything for CP’s) 3 uber fast puma’s. Awesome sauce in 2v2 :D

  4. CommanderBradley said

    thinking there is somethin similar out there I have been stomped a couple times with mass grens / blitz /early medic bunker think there was even a flammenwarfen in there. Totally took me by suprise, it’s a good one, unitl it gets played out like the vet strat….lol

  5. 13ayer said

    im definitely gonna try this one out

  6. OhCanada (cyberstewie) said

    sweet, I’m gunna test this one out after i watch the replay

  7. Vitensby said

    Sounds good. If anyone wants to test this out, please by all means go for it! Post back here with your thoughts on making it better. This strategy was always something I was thinking about and mentioned on the show for a long time. This replay was my first try at it so I am sure we would all do better after watching it.

  8. Mike said

    It seemed like it was going really well until I realized he was a noob and had set up mg nests on the rivers… vet 3 cloaked storms with shrecks dealt with those pretty easily though :P

    It’s fun.

  9. Vitensby said

    Haha, does that mean you tried it out Mike? :)

  10. Mike said

    and yes, haha, you could say I tried it out.

    No medic bunker in the semois game though. Needed to put that manpower towards more mans.

  11. Vitensby said

    Replay of the Week Mike. Unbelievable game! I really enjoyed watching it alot man. The whole balance team just watched it right after work :)

  12. GRDontom said

    :O I will play some games tonight and try it :)

  13. Skorzeny said

    Fun strat, but I think that in order to gain the maximum benefit from using Resource Blitz it should only be used if you can do multiple manpower-costly things immediately after triggering it. Like Grenadier + Stormtrooper right away.
    While RB does give you increased manpower over time, much of the advantage stems from getting a massive chunk *right now*, and if what you do with that manpower is build a bunch of grens, one after the other, you’re not exploiting the full potential of it.

    Fun replay. Favorite moment: Losing 1 full-strength and 1 half-strength gren-squad to a croc *after* putting it Out of Control. :)

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  15. Rogers said

    I need to try this, post more replays vits !

  16. Ray312 said

    Ok how would i open this, ive had a problem with my windows media player where it says i cant play because it doesnt have some file, and also a little off topic, but ever since this patch i cant play online, its sucked, it was fine till this damn patch and now the best i can do it play half a game and get disc :(

  17. Vitensby said

    Hi Ray. As long as you have a copy of CoH installed on your computer with the 1.7 patch you’ll be fine. After you download the replay file. Place it into your My Documents / My Games / Company of Heroes / Playback folder. Then load up CoH and proceed to hit skirmish. There is a tab to select and the replay will play for you once its done loading. I hope that helped you.

  18. Ray312 said

    ty so much, and also COOOOOOOOOOL! love the show, watched it since the 20th episode i think, pretty cool, never watched the audio shows till just lately though, also any reasons i cant play games anymore,
    last thing though, due to a lack of being able to play online, i played on a normal comp with the grenadiears, and took like 70%+ of the map before the grends came, grends destroyed the rifles, then shortly afterwards bc of my massive fuel income, i got a panzer command and destroyed the enemy base, hope they may help with the strag, bc he cant get any real AT

  19. RedDevil said

    This sounds almost like my last strat before I took a break from CoH, except I went with Defensive Doctrine (like always), and did a single Pioneer-Double Volks start for the first inevitable scrap over the high RP’s. Volks spam till Ter2, and a Medic bunker to promote them over to Grens once I hit a fast T2.

    Just about to check out the replays, but I had a ton of fun with it before. Pioneers in the half track as a mobile MG, and a Medic Bunker is a total must to Promote your Volks into Grenadiers. With the other toys in Ter2 such as mortar smoke, a “bunker creep” for reinforcing, and a final Flak88 for base siege, it played out interesting. Oh and the new grenades actually do work more than %50 of the time now. Sandbags are a must, so get used to laying them down right to avoid all the nasty fallbacks of them (cover for enemy, not long enough to stop the 4th man from getting the sqaud pinned etc.) I predict sandbags to be the new “Mines”, that everyone thought were usless in the metagame for the longest time, till someone actually took the time and lost games to find out where and how to lay them down.

    Mixed results, but fun. I’ll try out this specific strat (though I normally like to screw myself by not choosing Blitz ;)

  20. RedDevil said

    Haha! Mike that was an awesome replay! I was literally hopping in my seat at the end, and chewing my finger nails!

  21. Nisse said

    I just tried it out vs a pretty ok allied player and i won, i started with 6 Pioneers then i went straight for tier 2, halftrack (died on the last battle :( ) and then grends/motars, i picked up mgs with my pios and had a medic bunker, i didn’t go for rightside i went for left to get a stuh early and baserush, didn’t need to tho my 2 mortars took out his barrack and mgnests then he left :P It was good fun

  22. Mike (Comrade One) said

    Thanks RedDevil!

    I’m always wooking for wubs.

  23. Josh said

    mike match was awersum, enjoy it thorughly. One thing i have noticed is that crocs are the counter so i think someone should try it using defensive doc to see what happens, probably wont work but it would be interesting. Mike awersum job

  24. FanticResistance said

    Hey, I was able to get this to work well… Believe it or not… you can do this with 1v1 and 2v2…

    Fyi, dont read this and think you will own, becouse really there are some concepts that you need experience on to make this work and know some time mechinacs to fully make this a go… try this when your level 5-6 on axis…

    1. Do not build a Wehrmacht Quarters. dont do it… hold off and Spam 4-5 Pioneers you need to hold onto one fuel but cap the highest munitions point.

    2. Make sure you are receiving enough fuel you need 35+ 25 fuel for the Krieg Barracks. By the time the first squad of allied inf is on the board you will be building a Krieg Barracks. Its expected to take some territory loss but you will have capped like mad with 4,5,6 pioneer squads…

    Stat info…

    If the allied player went INF spam you will soon be killing them off with grenaders. at this point the allied player should be seeing several capped ammo points…( more than likely the allied player will put his INF shooting at the point) this is good becouse it give you time to flank with poineers and grenaders…

    Fyi, grenaders will kill rifeman at med-long range rush with poineers feed the medic bunker get more grenadiers.

    If the allied player went tier 2 you will be at a good advantage becouse this gives you time to use resources for vetenancy. Snipers and Mg are great for the allies becouse exp player will be able to rush snipers and grenade flank mgs…all losses feed the medic bunker.. (dont build 2 medic bunkers dont build a wehermact quarters). only go 3 deep on the rightside of blitz then go for the tiger..

    3. You should be flanking allied INF sacraficing you pioneers to kill the opp feeding the medic bunker.. Your munitions should be spent on Panzerschreks and spareing use of grenades your ammo should be comming in at a good rate every time you kill 1 or 2 squads that you dont loose a grenider squad cap a munitions point. Your ammo should be flowing well..

    4. After all this INf battles you should be recieving plenty of exp… Remember if the allies went airbourne or inf company to fight you with there inf this is good you suckerd them in to a early responce you will not see a pershing. you will win through superior Infantry through vetrancy. If they went armour start blitzing 2 grendiers and 1 ss-grenadiers. this will help prepare for that early croc or pershing… really by the time you see a pershing you should have a tiger the key thing is veterancy…

    I have tried this with terror using propaganda and has not been as successful as blitz but you can really utilize some of the right and left side propagand helps send back inf swarms and mg’s and i have been able to use the v1 every one has talked about but neve seen in battle…

    I have reset my profile to see really how this strat playes… Come with it allies i think wee have something going on here. Axis fan’s let me know what you think

    FanticResistance

  25. OHh.. In addition take there weapons bars, MG’s morter use poineers to man those weapons..

  26. OHh… Mine some points makem take some early losses taking those points back…

  27. I have a good replay… i don’t know were to post it….

  28. GfmGuderian said

    Hello Vitensby,

    i watched your match on BowLowland and was inspiered through this. I did try out the thing in 2v2 and 3v3 and it worked perfectly.

    I m doing a 5 pioneer start, first 4 for caping terretory and a 5th for the T2 Building and KKZ.
    Once their i do all Pios giving flamers and after that all Grens Panzerschrecks. With this amount of troops u can destroy nearly everything.

    I will post some of the replay to gamereplays.org maybe you can check them out.

    cheers

    GfmGuderian

  29. savy said

    i too dunno how post or send replay :(

  30. Ray312 said

    Ok i have a great idea with this, ive seen it done a few times but if u do it early enough with ATLEAST 150 munitions or so, (and i said AT LEAST!) u can get a halftracks, get 3 grend squads all with at least 1 shreck, then with the halftrack,take all the grends to his base, with the 150 munitions u can assault grenade any real opposition, and shreck his base to dust, i havent tested it yet, but i think it will really wipe them out in 1v1s, lol goodbye Mr Patton, see u in Hell. (maybe Franklin D. Roosevelt too) MUHAHAHAHA!

  31. Ray312 said

    Also i just watched those replays Fantic, very nice, i dont know how u managed to pull it off on Angoville, seems like it would be centered on bigger maps

  32. Ray312 said

    Ok i have tested it, it was a succes, and in the word of Dick Winters “The point is, you have to be fast” ok heres the replay http://www.gamereplays.org/CompanyofHeroes/replays.php?game=25&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=5024
    not sure if u can just click it, if not judt highlight it, cntrl c, then cntrl v in ur URL

  33. Ray,

    That was awesome what you did… I like the grenider demo…. Talk about getting up close and personel… Soon i think that people will be re thinking the allied stat…. I liked your reply….

  34. 12ay said

    got a new name bc of my internet problems which i believe i have fixed, and yes, its a very nice strat in my opinion, i have another 1 where i dont full kill his base, but hes so crippled he cant comeback, all he had left was Pershings, TAKE THAT ALLIES! WHO U GONNA CAP WITH NOW!?
    ill post the replay in a minute

  35. 12ay,

    That was good… I see you were late with getting your tier 2 up and man did you have a hard time with those snipers. I will post some good info and some work arounds to get those hassels….

  36. Well…. It looks like were getting a few of these replays with this strat… That’s awesome… some problems….

    1. snipers!!!! what to do? well get your 251 (halftrack) and put a pioneer in it and attack with the mg on the halftrack… it should be able to catch up to the moving sniper. Grenades work only if the Sniper has no vet and is allready damaged. I have found that using grenades to kill snipes can sometimes not be as effective as i would of wanted A early 251(half track can be very useful for transport and flanking mg’s and killing snipers.

    2. early engineer and rifle spam… get a mg bunker in the area of intersection. so when your are about to put out that 3rd grenadier squad up put out a early mg bunker you can retriet to it and fire out of a good position.

    3. rifle spam. if you see bars.. that means early crack will be delayed same with grenades. so relax put up mg bunkers and get veterncy. you need 2 levels to help stop the suppression..

    4. engineer squad… attack with more pioneers than engineers if you have vet you will win…

    Strat tatics and help hints….

    A. early booby traps… use wire to make inter secting point direct retrieting enemy into your mines… its simple and can put a big hurt on your enemy..

    B. Place mines on cut off stragic point.. the enemy is catching up to us on this strat and not bothering get suckerd into shooting OP points so mine the ST cut point with mines before the oncomming direction. this should be done in the early game 3-5 min. you will need munitions for schreks…for that crock..

    C. dot get pressured into making early victorys. dont get your early grenadiers squads killed.. retriet when you are 2 men down… (dont for get that medic bunker) Put up a medic bunker be for veterncy.

    D. i cant say it enough if you familar with the map. you know where paths are made and how inf move use that early munitions to an advantage.. this will take time to develop but if you look at my replays you will see where a rifle squad hits a mine and is pinned and i run up pioneers to kill off the rifle squad nothing more satisfying than 2 squads of pioneers pwning a rifle squad..

    More to come….

    fanatic resistance…

  37. 12ay said

    just to make sure everbody has a good idea how to do it on Semois, HERES ANOTHER! (he went mp LOL!)

  38. 12ay said

    also, WHERES VITENSBY, this is his blog, and the last what, 20 posts? were me and fanatic lol

  39. Vitensby said

    I don’t know where that Vitensby guy is, but I’m reading every comment :P

  40. 12ay said

    lol, u just havent been posting at all, not even for my feedback :(
    but seriously, u say it was a nice replay, THEN NO WUB!? i have 1 wub for every replay, yet 3 ppl say they liked it, interesting

  41. hell…. i feel i’m the only poster…. maybe i should give it up…. i promise to only post once a day… or less…..(12ay)

    LoL hahahah

  42. 12ay said

    lol how are u the only poster? although i will say a lot of people are probably just to lazy to read the entire blog and say screw it, but i am a poster too if u look at it, and snipers are evil, damn sniper school………

  43. 12ay said

    also vitensby, lil off topic, but whats with the crying rabbit avatar?

  44. Viper32660 said

    V-man;
    I used a strat like this with the us allies way back in v1.2. got owned by many.

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